[CivicAccess-discuss] Cdn Standards Assoc (c) & cost recovery

[David Eaves]

+1 Jonathan. If your mission is to spread the stuff and you are a 
non-profit then your sustainability model runs counter to your mission. 
There is tension there, but I sense they are on the wrong side of it.

On 11-05-18 4:15 PM, Jonathan Brun wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In addition to MontrealOuvert, I run Nimonik.ca <http://Nimonik.ca> - 
> a company that helps businesses audit and manage legislative 
> requirements tied to ISO standards (amongst other things). Notably, we 
> manage https://www.wikichecklists.com that has many questionnaires 
> based on various ISO standards (14001, 9001, 26000, 27001, ...) 
> standards. We have debated internally our risk with regard to 
> infringing on their copyright.
>
> We know people at the CSA and they know us, we have yet to hear 
> anything from them on our use of their standards.
>
> Personally, I find is asinine that they copyright this stuff. If their 
> goal is to have as many people and organizations as possible adopt and 
> use their standards, they should make them freely available. As far as 
> I know, CSA, generates most of its revenue from registrations to the 
> standards and government financing. Which further reduces the logic 
> for for charging for their standards.
>
> On top of all this, a lot of canadian legislation (especially 
> environmental) references various ISO standards. By referencing 
> standards you are basically making them law. But, the standards cost 
> money, which makes them inaccessible and maybe in conflict with Crown 
> copyright?
>
> I'll stop here, if someone is more knowledgeable on the subject of 
> industrial standards, I am keen to know what to read.
>
> Cheers,
>
> JB
> MontrealOuvert.net <http://www.MontrealOuvert.net>
> jonathanbrun.com <http://www.jonathanbrun.com>
>
> On 2011-05-18, at 3:23 PM, David Eaves wrote:
>
>> Joe - really glad you raised this. Going to apply my brain to it. 
>> Such a great example of governing bodies getting it wrong.
>>
>> I'm working with a client in a similar space so this is really 
>> timely. Thank you.
>>
>> cheers,
>> dave
>>
>> On 11-05-18 9:25 AM, Joe Murray wrote:
>>> Here's another area of concern. Note that the CSA is just trying to 
>>> cover their costs through sale of copyrighted material, but could 
>>> provide them as copyleft if they were properly funded by the federal 
>>> government.
>>>
>>> CSA is the Canadian Standards body for lots of IT things as well as 
>>> physical products.
>>>
>>> Joe Murray, PhD
>>> President, JMA Consulting
>>> joe.murray at jmaconsulting.biz <mailto:joe.murray at jmaconsulting.biz>
>>> skype JosephPMurray twitter JoeMurray
>>> 416.466.1281
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: *Cathy Frederickson* <cathy.frederickson at csa.ca 
>>> <mailto:cathy.frederickson at csa.ca>>
>>> Date: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:20 AM
>>> Subject: Upcoming CSA Webex Sessions to discuss CSA Copyright 
>>> Assignment Requests
>>> To: member at csa.ca <mailto:member at csa.ca>
>>> Cc: Sam Loggia <sam.loggia at csa.ca <mailto:sam.loggia at csa.ca>>, David 
>>> Briere <David.Briere at csa.ca <mailto:David.Briere at csa.ca>>, Loretta 
>>> Wegman <loretta.wegman at csa.ca <mailto:loretta.wegman at csa.ca>>, Aliya 
>>> Ramji <Aliya.Ramji at csagroup.org <mailto:Aliya.Ramji at csagroup.org>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear CSA ITCommittee Members:
>>>
>>>
>>> Over the last few months CSA has beencommunicating with youregarding 
>>> our efforts to strengthen our CSA copyright position.
>>>
>>>
>>> With the use of the internet and other growing social media 
>>> channels, it has become increasingly evident that CSA(and other 
>>> Standards Organizations) copyrightedmaterials are being copied and 
>>> distributed without permission.
>>>
>>> Recognizing that CSA offsets part of our operating costs through the 
>>> sale of our standards, this continued activity could undermine the 
>>> future viability of our association.
>>>
>>>
>>> CSA is currently looking at several cases to take legal action 
>>> against violations of misuse and infringement of our copyright 
>>> standards. Most  members willappreciate that in our efforts to 
>>> legally protect our copyright, we alsoneed to ensure that those 
>>> contributing towards the development of these materials provide a 
>>> copyright release. We have since requested all committee members 
>>> explicit permission to use their intellectual property which is 
>>> brought to the table for incorporation into the final standard. This 
>>> is not intended to prevent members from reasonably utilizing the 
>>> contributions for their own activities, however CSA does need to 
>>> ensure that our members are allowing us to use these contributions 
>>> in the final CSA standard and related products.
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately our communications have unintentionally resulted in 
>>> concerns being raised regarding the implications of assigning member 
>>> copyright to CSA. As a result we will be offering a series of Webex 
>>> sessions specifically on the issue of copyright for our members. We 
>>> hope you will be available to attend one of these sessions and come 
>>> with your questions and concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please join us for one or more of the following sessions:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thursday May 26 , 1-2pm EST.
>>>
>>> Thursday June 23, 1-2pm EST.
>>>
>>> Thursday July 21, 1-2 pm EST.
>>>
>>> Thursday August 25 1-2pm EST.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> Cathy Frederickson
>>>
>>> Manager Member Education
>>>
>>> CSA Standards
>>>
>>> 416-747-2567 <tel:416-747-2567>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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