[CivicAccess-discuss] Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens

Sat Feb 22 00:32:13 AEDT 2014

This is a message from Teresa Scassa
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From: Teresa Scassa
Sent: February-21-14 8:18 AM
To: civicaccess discuss; gerry at tychon.ca
Subject: RE: [CivicAccess-discuss] Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte
CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un
avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données
ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens

I'm not sure that it is necessary to know much more about the referenced
legislation in these government licences, so I don't agree that these
clauses make the licences particularly more complex from a user's point of
view. These clauses are boilerplate CYA clauses for government - (there's
one in the UK open licence as well). Governments are not allowed  to
provide, as open data, any of the information that is excluded from
disclosure under (in this case) provincial access to information and
protection of privacy legislation. So this type of information should
simply not be in the open data set in the first place. The clauses are
there in an attempt to limit governments' own liability should, by some
internal error, they provide a data set containing data they were not
legally allowed to make public. Each province will have a slightly
different clause because each province has its own legislation, which may
have a different title. But the principle is the same in each case.

Even if a user knew these laws inside out they would probably have no way
of knowing whether the data in the data set was a third party's
confidential business information, to use one example. The laws are there
to govern what government's disclose. Knowledge of the law is thus more or
less unnecessary, and in my view, these clauses don't have much of an
impact on users and shouldn't create any incompatibilities between
licences. The only scenario where there might be a problem is if a citizen
complained that a particular data set violated their privacy rights (or a
company complained that a particular set contained its confidential
business information) and an adjudicator or court ruled that this was
indeed the case. At that point, the data set might have to be withdrawn and
a user of the data set would not be licenced to use the problematic data.

Teresa

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:25 PM, David Eaves <david at eaves.ca> wrote:

> So my understanding is that the BC license is different - but all the
> others are the same. That is certainly the intention that they all be
> identical accept the title which references the jurisdiction. (again except
> BC which is frustrating).
>
> Of course, now that there is a group of governments aligned around the
> license, you can send them feedback about how they could make them
> identical. I think they are interested in hearing this.
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:05 PM, James McKinney <james at opennorth.ca> wrote:
>
> > Yes, they are different licenses.
> >
> > I just spoke to Kent Mewhort, who explained that there are other
> differences between the licenses. For example, BC [1] has an additional
> exemption which makes it a more problematic license: "This license does not
> grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under
> the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (B.C.);". Ontario
> [2] has a similar exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to
> use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of
> Information and Protection of Privacy Act (Ontario);" Alberta [3] has its
> own vague exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b)
> Information or Records that are not accessible under applicable laws;".
> >
> > The licenses, on the surface, look the same, but those one-line
> differences actually make the licenses quite complex, given that you need
> to know a fair amount about the referenced/imported legislation.
> >
> > 1. http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf
> > 2. http://www.ontario.ca/government/open-government-licence-ontario
> > 3. http://data.alberta.ca/licence
> >
> >
> > On 2014-02-20, at 10:12 AM, Gerry Tychon wrote:
> >
> >> Others may now better but I have felt that having a license that varies
> by a single word makes it, legally, a different license. So, if your were
> integrating data from different sources (all using their version of the
> Canadian Open Government License) you would have to reference each license
> individually.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 20/02/2014 10:43 AM, James McKinney wrote:
> >>> Canada's Open Government Licence [1] has been adapted by a number of
> cities and provinces - with the only difference being the name of the
> jurisdiction and the governing law clause. Cities include Guelph, Grande
> Prairie County No. 1, Nanaimo, Strathcona, Toronto (just looking at the
> licenses we use in Represent [2]).
> >>>
> >>> 1. http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada
> >>> 2. https://github.com/opennorth/represent-canada-data#readme
> >>>
> >>> With respect to the Quebec initiative, there is something comparable
> in Ontario:
> >>>
> >>> "Public Sector Open Data (PSOD)
> >>> The Federal Government, Province of Ontario and City of Guelph are
> working with other Open Data municipalities in a group called PSOD to
> develop common processes and formats. The objectives of the PSOD are to
> develop standardization which allows for equal and easy access to public
> data."
> >>>
> >>> Sources:
> >>> http://openguelph.wpengine.com/open-data-guelph/
> >>> http://torontoist.com/2013/05/public-works-opening-up-our-data/
> >>>
> >>> James
> >>>
> >>> On 2014-02-20, at 6:03 AM, Stéphane Guidoin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The important point, from our point of view, is that all the bodies
> who publish open data in Quebec (province and 4 cities) have adopted the
> same generic license! Really good move.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stéphane
> >>>>
> >>>> Le 2014-02-20 08:45, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit :
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >>>>> From: Diane Mercier <diane.mercier at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014
> >>>>> Subject: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr
> emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes.  Un avantage       pour
> les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes.  Un avantage
> pour les citoyens
> >>>>> To: OKFN-ca <okfn-ca at lists.okfn.org>
> >>>>> Cc: OKFN-francophone <okfn-francophone at lists.okfn.org>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Montréal est la première ville au Québec ayant utilisé les données
> >>>>> ouvertes et dans la perspective de faire de la métropole une ville
> >>>>> toujours plus intelligente et apprenante, le maire de Montréal, M.
> >>>>> Denis Coderre, est fier d'annoncer que la Ville de Montréal souhaite
> >>>>> adopter la licence ouverte CC BY 4 internationale de Creative
> >>>>> Commons.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> La métropole, ainsi que les villes de Québec, Gatineau et Sherbrooke
> >>>>> et le gouvernement du Québec qui emboîtent aussi le pas, unifieront
> >>>>> leur licence de données ouvertes avec l'objectif de faciliter le
> >>>>> partage des données selon des normes communes. Cette demande
> >>>>> conjointe de normalisation de la part de quatre grandes villes et du
> >>>>> gouvernement du Québec est une première au Canada et s'inscrit dans
> >>>>> une tendance mondiale d'harmonisation des processus en matière de
> >>>>> libération de données des administrations publiques. Il s'agit d'un
> >>>>> tour de force qui stimulera les échanges entre la Ville et les
> >>>>> Montréalais et les administrations publiques entre elles.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/un-avantage-pour-les-citoyens-montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-cc-4-une-premiere-au-canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-ouvertes/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Médiation par | Curation by ---
> >>>>> Dre Diane Mercier
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @okfnca | ca.okfn.org
> >>>>> @_FACiL | facil.qc.ca
> >>>>> @MTL_DO | donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca
> >>>>> @carnetsDM | dianemercier.com
> >>>>> http://about.me/dianemercier
> >>>>> http://vizualize.me/oKvvtBkJXK?r=oKvvtBkJXK
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Webographie du libre :
> >>>>> https://www.zotero.org/dmercier/items/order/dateModified/sort/desc
> >>>>>
> >>>>> << Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>> okfn-francophone at lists.okfn.org
> >>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-francophone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Tracey P. Lauriault
> >>>>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
> >>>>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
> >>>>> http://datalibre.ca/
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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-- 
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http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
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