[CivicAccess-discuss] City list of provider: should it be open?

[Glen Newton]

Scrape project?
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-glen

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Stéphane Guidoin
<stephane.guidoin at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the "how" sounded more like "how do you bring the government to open
> this data" (and if it was not Karl's real intent, that's my question ;)
>
> The gov of Canada (like some others) provides the same privacy protection as
> citizens which is something I never understood.
>
> Steph
>
> Le 13-05-09 15:04, Glen Newton a écrit :
>
>>>> - make it easier to dig through shell companies at Industry Canada
>>>
>>> how? :)
>>
>> I want this data to be open,
>> http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/cd-dgc.nsf/eng/Home either as an API (not
>> really) or a database dump download.
>>
>> Then anyone can analyse patterns of ownership among individuals,
>> families, addresses and build the social network of the
>> companies/people/families, apps, etc.
>>
>> -glen
>>
>> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Karl Dubost <karl at la-grange.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le 9 mai 2013 à 14:27, Glen Newton a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> The argument is vacuous. If the criminals want to know, they
>>>> will find out.
>>>
>>> Probably, they have the network, the tools, the power and maybe a higher
>>> flexibility in their social infrastructure. (not sure about that, just
>>> guessing)
>>>
>>>
>>>> Open it up for all to (equally) see and collusion should be harder.
>>>> - make sure when someone opens up a new construction company and is
>>>> harassed/threatened/murdered by their criminal competitors, that the
>>>> police et al. take it seriously.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmm consequences. The "make sure" implies "human resources", "capacity of
>>> processing", etc. :) I say hurrah for the idea, but I also think not that
>>> easy to put in place. Civil society is less flexible than its competitor,
>>> the mafia society.
>>>
>>>
>>>> - make it easier to dig through shell companies at Industry Canada
>>>
>>> how? :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> - make it easier to see how many companies a person has created over
>>>> time (Industry Canada), to see patterns of abuse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could help to reveal bad patterns. Would it destroy things that are
>>> reachable but not necessary exposed. I don't know, just wondering again.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It matters little
>>>> that there has been a "healthy" ecosystem of 200+ construction
>>>> companies over the last 40 years, if 90% of them have been owned by
>>>> the same 4 people or families.
>>>
>>> hehe. yes.
>>> Note that there is a wealth of information (social graph) that could be
>>> expressed just by analyzing the newspaper data (RDF graphs?). Just for the
>>> fun of it, that could be nice. On the other hand I always wonder about the
>>> danger of doing so when living at the same place than the said social graph.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Karl Dubost
>>> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
>>>
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