[CivicAccess-discuss] CivicAccess-discuss Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17

[David Eaves]

No, but will definitely ask at the next Advisory Panel meeting.


On Jul 21, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Claire Woodside <cwoodside at pwyp.ca> wrote:

> Does anyone know why the government of Canada withdrew its application to
> the OGP steering committee?
> 
> http://www.opengovpartnership.org/node/3714
> 
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>   1. Re: Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates for the OGP steering
>      committee (Tracey P. Lauriault)
>   2. thoughts on XBRL? (Claire Woodside)
>   3. Re: CivicAccess-discuss Digest, Vol 83,	Issue 16 (Claire Woodside)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:28:22 +0100
> From: "Tracey P. Lauriault" <tlauriau at gmail.com>
> To: civicaccess discuss <civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca>
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates
> 	for the OGP steering committee
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> *Gerry;*
> 
> People nominate themselves and apply.  Sorta like the Open Knowledge
> Foundation embassadors and the Open Data Institute folks.
> 
> In the case of Harvey, I filled the application to the OGP, and he was
> awarded status at the OGP meetings in Brazil. I consulted with some people,
> they supported with formal endorsements as per the process, I wrote the
> application, and voila he was selected for that meeting.  There were 4 other
> submissions at that time.  We did some basic outreach to get povs and we
> ensured that his presentation included all they key actors, cities, feds,
> civil society groups and examples from across Canada at that time.
> 
> When he got to Brazil though, he was removed from the Canadian Panel by the
> Canadian Gov. who appointed someone else.  In other words, he was awarded
> travel and accomodation, a booth, a place to present, and attendance to the
> socials and the meetings.  It was confusing and lacked some process.
> 
> Overall, in Canada, we do not really have civil society reps as other
> countries do, and our civil society here, on the technical side of the
> equation is strong, and the social entrepreneurship side, we do not really
> have a very engaged national civil society on this front.  CIPPIC, Open
> North and the BC Association are the closests we have to some sort of
> national with a local twist, and then there are actors like the Canadian
> Council on Social Development, Ontatio Non Profit Network and the Social
> Planning Councils which are ramping up their knowledge as data users.
> There are of course some academic associations, and some professional
> associations, but they have not really picked up the ball on the open data
> and open gov files.  Perhaps Katie Gibbs with Evidence for Democracy will
> eventuall ramp up some knowledge here to.
> 
> Irrespective, we do fairly well overall in relative terms to other
> countries, due to the nature of our public administrations, governments,
> strong federalism, society and well educated and socially minded puplic.
> We have many active locals, and the CIOs/CTOs of provinces and territories
> have come on side ever so slowly.  It would however be good, as we discored
> during the cancellation of the census, to have some sort of unifying
> political voice/convening group that could represent the public on these
> issues.  We do have much work still to do.
> 
> *Michael;*
> 
> Regarding Chris, because he works for a consulting firm, he would not
> qualify as a civil society rep, unless of course he was part of a civil
> society organization.  The application process is quite specific on that
> front.  No question on his expertise, it however leans toward teck and city
> and less social and civil society.  I also agree that we need some hybrids.
> 
> Cheers
> t
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Lenczner
>> CEO, Ajah
>> http://www.ajah.ca
>> 514-708-5112
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault 
>> <tlauriau at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> It is unfortunate that we do not have solid civil society 
>>> representation.
>>> 
>>> Toby Mendel is excellent, but represents the legal side of things 
>>> only and to the best of my knowledge brings his organization's point 
>>> of view forward but not that domain of civil society actors more broadly.
>>> 
>>> Chris Moore is also great, but hardly represents civil society, 
>>> private sector maybe, which was a big contingent at OGP EU Regional 
>>> meetings in Dublin.
>>> 
>> 
>> Any reason you say that Chris Moore represent private sector? 15 years 
>> as a municipal CIO means that he has extensive experience within 
>> municipal gov (an important stakeholder) but I agree that he isn't an 
>> ideal candidate to represent civil society. However, I'm glad that he 
>> is nominated - just based on what I know of his understanding of open gov
> and open data.
>> 
>>> 
>>> We need someone or an organization that can parlay public policy, 
>>> open data, open access, and ngos who are data users but not engaged 
>>> in open data app development necessarily, but is savvy enough to navigate
> those waters.
>>> It would also be great to have someone who is considered a 
>>> representative, someone civil society has nominated or who can stand 
>>> behind, who has a national understanding of the issues but also 
>>> sub-national and who may consult with key stakeholders and bring their
> concerns forward.
>>> 
>>> We did that somewhat when Harvey Low from the Canadian Council on 
>>> Social Development and the FCM went to Brazil, and we conducted some 
>>> consultations by conference call and email, but even that was minimal 
>>> in terms of consultation at best.
>>> 
>> 
>> It's too bad that there aren't a few organizations that master the 
>> old-school access to data stuff (i.e. CCSD, SCPOs) as well as the new 
>> side of things (metadata, open data portals, developing lightweight 
>> standards,
>> XML/APIs/etc.)  We need a hybrid CCSD / Open North candidate.
>> 
>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> t
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 2 Canadians on the list of civil society candidates for the for the 
>>>> OGP Steering Committee. If you're interested, you can dig around 
>>>> more on that site for more info including CVs and letters of nomination
> (url below).
>>>> 
>>>> There's been no update since June 30th, 2014 - so maybe this is 
>>>> already decided and I'm not aware. I hope one (or more) of the 
>>>> Canadians make the cut, though.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Moore
>>>> (former Chief Information Officer of the city of Edmonton)
>>>> 
>>>> Toby Mendel
>>>> (Centre for Law & Democracy)
>>>> 
>>>> And Panthea Lee - applying for either Canada or Taiwan (it's unclear).
>>>> Reboot
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.ogphub.org/blog/here-are-the-37-candidates-for-the-ogp-st
>>>> eering-committee/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Michael Lenczner
>>>> CEO, Ajah
>>>> http://www.ajah.ca
>>>> 514-708-5112
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>>> CivicAccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tracey P. Lauriault
>>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
>>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
>>> http://datalibre.ca/
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> From: "Claire Woodside" <cwoodside at pwyp.ca>
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> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] thoughts on XBRL?
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> XBRL Canada made a submission to the Canadian government on the development
> of mandatory payment reporting standards for extractive companies advocating
> that the reporting template be developed using XBRL. Does anyone have any
> thoughts on the benefits/drawbacks of XBRL as a data format?
> 
> 
> 
> http://data.gc.ca/eng/content/comments-received-response-consultation-mandat
> ory-reporting-standards-extractive-sector
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> Claire
> 
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> Claire Woodside
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> From: "Claire Woodside" <cwoodside at pwyp.ca>
> To: <civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca>
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] CivicAccess-discuss Digest, Vol 83,
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> I think that if someone is selected from Canada, it is important that they
> view themselves as a representative of civil society globally, but also
> Canadian civil society. It is critical that that individual take the time
> and initiative to inform and engage Canadian CSOs on the OGP process, key
> decisions etc. It would be interesting to know how each individual plans to
> undertake that engagement? Perhaps this is something we can ask them.
> 
> I know that within the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative CSO
> board reps host calls to brief CSOs and get feedback before board meeting,
> but particularly board meetings where important decisions will be taken, but
> also they will provide CSOs with a post-board meeting update. This
> engagement is regionally focused, with the North American CSO board rep
> engaging North American CSOs. This allows CSOs to engage with government
> board reps after/in advance of meetings to try and influence their positions
> on key issues of importance to CSOs. I meet regularly with the Canadian
> representative to the EITI board.
> 
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>   1. Re: Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates for the OGP steering
>      committee (Gerry Tychon)
>   2. Re: Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates for the OGP steering
>      committee (Michael Lenczner)
>   3. Re: Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates for	the OGP steering
>      committee (James McKinney)
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> From: Gerry Tychon <gerry at tychon.ca>
> To: civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates
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> From: Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca>
> To: civicaccess discuss <civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca>
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates
> 	for the OGP steering committee
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> Michael Lenczner
> CEO, Ajah
> http://www.ajah.ca
> 514-708-5112
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> It is unfortunate that we do not have solid civil society representation.
>> 
>> Toby Mendel is excellent, but represents the legal side of things only 
>> and to the best of my knowledge brings his organization's point of 
>> view forward but not that domain of civil society actors more broadly.
>> 
>> Chris Moore is also great, but hardly represents civil society, 
>> private sector maybe, which was a big contingent at OGP EU Regional 
>> meetings in Dublin.
>> 
> 
> Any reason you say that Chris Moore represent private sector? 15 years as a
> municipal CIO means that he has extensive experience within municipal gov
> (an important stakeholder) but I agree that he isn't an ideal candidate to
> represent civil society. However, I'm glad that he is nominated - just based
> on what I know of his understanding of open gov and open data.
> 
>> 
>> We need someone or an organization that can parlay public policy, open 
>> data, open access, and ngos who are data users but not engaged in open 
>> data app development necessarily, but is savvy enough to navigate 
>> those
> waters.
>> It would also be great to have someone who is considered a 
>> representative, someone civil society has nominated or who can stand 
>> behind, who has a national understanding of the issues but also 
>> sub-national and who may consult with key stakeholders and bring their
> concerns forward.
>> 
>> We did that somewhat when Harvey Low from the Canadian Council on 
>> Social Development and the FCM went to Brazil, and we conducted some 
>> consultations by conference call and email, but even that was minimal 
>> in terms of consultation at best.
>> 
> 
> It's too bad that there aren't a few organizations that master the
> old-school access to data stuff (i.e. CCSD, SCPOs) as well as the new side
> of things (metadata, open data portals, developing lightweight standards,
> XML/APIs/etc.)  We need a hybrid CCSD / Open North candidate.
> 
> 
>> Cheers
>> t
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> 2 Canadians on the list of civil society candidates for the for the 
>>> OGP Steering Committee. If you're interested, you can dig around more 
>>> on that site for more info including CVs and letters of nomination 
>>> (url
> below).
>>> 
>>> There's been no update since June 30th, 2014 - so maybe this is 
>>> already decided and I'm not aware. I hope one (or more) of the 
>>> Canadians make the cut, though.
>>> 
>>> Chris Moore
>>> (former Chief Information Officer of the city of Edmonton)
>>> 
>>> Toby Mendel
>>> (Centre for Law & Democracy)
>>> 
>>> And Panthea Lee - applying for either Canada or Taiwan (it's unclear).
>>> Reboot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.ogphub.org/blog/here-are-the-37-candidates-for-the-ogp-ste
>>> ering-committee/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Lenczner
>>> CEO, Ajah
>>> http://www.ajah.ca
>>> 514-708-5112
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>> CivicAccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Tracey P. Lauriault
>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
>> http://datalibre.ca/
>> 
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> From: James McKinney <james at opennorth.ca>
> To: gerry at tychon.ca, civicaccess discuss
> 	<civicaccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca>
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates
> 	for	the OGP steering committee
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> 
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gerry Tychon <gerry at tychon.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Pardon my ignorance but how do candidates actually become candidates. 
> 
> Join the OGP Civil Society mailing list for all updates:
> https://dgroups.org/hivos/ogp
> 
> The post was re-published on several other lists including CivicAccess on
> April 25 by Harvey Low.
> 
> Nominations were open from April 25 to June 15.
> 
> I believe all were self-nominations, based on the submissions.
> 
> James
> 
> 
>> ... ggt
>> 
>> On 21/07/2014 5:29 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
>>> It is unfortunate that we do not have solid civil society representation.
> 
>>> 
>>> Toby Mendel is excellent, but represents the legal side of things 
>>> only
> and to the best of my knowledge brings his organization's point of view
> forward but not that domain of civil society actors more broadly.  
>>> 
>>> Chris Moore is also great, but hardly represents civil society, 
>>> private
> sector maybe, which was a big contingent at OGP EU Regional meetings in
> Dublin.
>>> 
>>> We need someone or an organization that can parlay public policy, 
>>> open
> data, open access, and ngos who are data users but not engaged in open data
> app development necessarily, but is savvy enough to navigate those waters.
> It would also be great to have someone who is considered a representative,
> someone civil society has nominated or who can stand behind, who has a
> national understanding of the issues but also sub-national and who may
> consult with key stakeholders and bring their concerns forward.
>>> 
>>> We did that somewhat when Harvey Low from the Canadian Council on 
>>> Social
> Development and the FCM went to Brazil, and we conducted some consultations
> by conference call and email, but even that was minimal in terms of
> consultation at best.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> t
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca>
> wrote:
>>> 2 Canadians on the list of civil society candidates for the for the 
>>> OGP
> Steering Committee. If you're interested, you can dig around more on that
> site for more info including CVs and letters of nomination (url below).
>>> 
>>> There's been no update since June 30th, 2014 - so maybe this is 
>>> already
> decided and I'm not aware. I hope one (or more) of the Canadians make the
> cut, though.
>>> 
>>> Chris Moore
>>> (former Chief Information Officer of the city of Edmonton)
>>> 
>>> Toby Mendel
>>> (Centre for Law & Democracy)
>>> 
>>> And Panthea Lee - applying for either Canada or Taiwan (it's unclear).
>>> Reboot
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.ogphub.org/blog/here-are-the-37-candidates-for-the-ogp-ste
>>> ering-committee/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Lenczner
>>> CEO, Ajah
>>> http://www.ajah.ca
>>> 514-708-5112
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>> CivicAccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tracey P. Lauriault
>>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
>>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
>>> http://datalibre.ca/
>>> 
>>> 
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