[CivicAccess-discuss] CivicAccess-discuss Digest, Vol 83, Issue 17
Claire Woodside
cwoodside at pwyp.ca
Tue Jul 22 06:58:49 AEST 2014
Does anyone know why the government of Canada withdrew its application to
the OGP steering committee?
http://www.opengovpartnership.org/node/3714
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:28:22 +0100
From: "Tracey P. Lauriault" <tlauriau at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates
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*Gerry;*
People nominate themselves and apply. Sorta like the Open Knowledge
Foundation embassadors and the Open Data Institute folks.
In the case of Harvey, I filled the application to the OGP, and he was
awarded status at the OGP meetings in Brazil. I consulted with some people,
they supported with formal endorsements as per the process, I wrote the
application, and voila he was selected for that meeting. There were 4 other
submissions at that time. We did some basic outreach to get povs and we
ensured that his presentation included all they key actors, cities, feds,
civil society groups and examples from across Canada at that time.
When he got to Brazil though, he was removed from the Canadian Panel by the
Canadian Gov. who appointed someone else. In other words, he was awarded
travel and accomodation, a booth, a place to present, and attendance to the
socials and the meetings. It was confusing and lacked some process.
Overall, in Canada, we do not really have civil society reps as other
countries do, and our civil society here, on the technical side of the
equation is strong, and the social entrepreneurship side, we do not really
have a very engaged national civil society on this front. CIPPIC, Open
North and the BC Association are the closests we have to some sort of
national with a local twist, and then there are actors like the Canadian
Council on Social Development, Ontatio Non Profit Network and the Social
Planning Councils which are ramping up their knowledge as data users.
There are of course some academic associations, and some professional
associations, but they have not really picked up the ball on the open data
and open gov files. Perhaps Katie Gibbs with Evidence for Democracy will
eventuall ramp up some knowledge here to.
Irrespective, we do fairly well overall in relative terms to other
countries, due to the nature of our public administrations, governments,
strong federalism, society and well educated and socially minded puplic.
We have many active locals, and the CIOs/CTOs of provinces and territories
have come on side ever so slowly. It would however be good, as we discored
during the cancellation of the census, to have some sort of unifying
political voice/convening group that could represent the public on these
issues. We do have much work still to do.
*Michael;*
Regarding Chris, because he works for a consulting firm, he would not
qualify as a civil society rep, unless of course he was part of a civil
society organization. The application process is quite specific on that
front. No question on his expertise, it however leans toward teck and city
and less social and civil society. I also agree that we need some hybrids.
Cheers
t
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Michael Lenczner
> CEO, Ajah
> http://www.ajah.ca
> 514-708-5112
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault
> <tlauriau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It is unfortunate that we do not have solid civil society
>> representation.
>>
>> Toby Mendel is excellent, but represents the legal side of things
>> only and to the best of my knowledge brings his organization's point
>> of view forward but not that domain of civil society actors more broadly.
>>
>> Chris Moore is also great, but hardly represents civil society,
>> private sector maybe, which was a big contingent at OGP EU Regional
>> meetings in Dublin.
>>
>
> Any reason you say that Chris Moore represent private sector? 15 years
> as a municipal CIO means that he has extensive experience within
> municipal gov (an important stakeholder) but I agree that he isn't an
> ideal candidate to represent civil society. However, I'm glad that he
> is nominated - just based on what I know of his understanding of open gov
and open data.
>
>>
>> We need someone or an organization that can parlay public policy,
>> open data, open access, and ngos who are data users but not engaged
>> in open data app development necessarily, but is savvy enough to navigate
those waters.
>> It would also be great to have someone who is considered a
>> representative, someone civil society has nominated or who can stand
>> behind, who has a national understanding of the issues but also
>> sub-national and who may consult with key stakeholders and bring their
concerns forward.
>>
>> We did that somewhat when Harvey Low from the Canadian Council on
>> Social Development and the FCM went to Brazil, and we conducted some
>> consultations by conference call and email, but even that was minimal
>> in terms of consultation at best.
>>
>
> It's too bad that there aren't a few organizations that master the
> old-school access to data stuff (i.e. CCSD, SCPOs) as well as the new
> side of things (metadata, open data portals, developing lightweight
> standards,
> XML/APIs/etc.) We need a hybrid CCSD / Open North candidate.
>
>
>> Cheers
>> t
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 2 Canadians on the list of civil society candidates for the for the
>>> OGP Steering Committee. If you're interested, you can dig around
>>> more on that site for more info including CVs and letters of nomination
(url below).
>>>
>>> There's been no update since June 30th, 2014 - so maybe this is
>>> already decided and I'm not aware. I hope one (or more) of the
>>> Canadians make the cut, though.
>>>
>>> Chris Moore
>>> (former Chief Information Officer of the city of Edmonton)
>>>
>>> Toby Mendel
>>> (Centre for Law & Democracy)
>>>
>>> And Panthea Lee - applying for either Canada or Taiwan (it's unclear).
>>> Reboot
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.ogphub.org/blog/here-are-the-37-candidates-for-the-ogp-st
>>> eering-committee/
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Lenczner
>>> CEO, Ajah
>>> http://www.ajah.ca
>>> 514-708-5112
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>> CivicAccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tracey P. Lauriault
>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
>> http://datalibre.ca/
>>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:43:16 -0400
From: "Claire Woodside" <cwoodside at pwyp.ca>
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Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] thoughts on XBRL?
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XBRL Canada made a submission to the Canadian government on the development
of mandatory payment reporting standards for extractive companies advocating
that the reporting template be developed using XBRL. Does anyone have any
thoughts on the benefits/drawbacks of XBRL as a data format?
http://data.gc.ca/eng/content/comments-received-response-consultation-mandat
ory-reporting-standards-extractive-sector
Cheers,
Claire
Claire Woodside
Director/Directrice | Publish What You Pay-Canada/Publiez Ce Que Vous
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 16:49:56 -0400
From: "Claire Woodside" <cwoodside at pwyp.ca>
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I think that if someone is selected from Canada, it is important that they
view themselves as a representative of civil society globally, but also
Canadian civil society. It is critical that that individual take the time
and initiative to inform and engage Canadian CSOs on the OGP process, key
decisions etc. It would be interesting to know how each individual plans to
undertake that engagement? Perhaps this is something we can ask them.
I know that within the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative CSO
board reps host calls to brief CSOs and get feedback before board meeting,
but particularly board meetings where important decisions will be taken, but
also they will provide CSOs with a post-board meeting update. This
engagement is regionally focused, with the North American CSO board rep
engaging North American CSOs. This allows CSOs to engage with government
board reps after/in advance of meetings to try and influence their positions
on key issues of importance to CSOs. I meet regularly with the Canadian
representative to the EITI board.
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Michael Lenczner
CEO, Ajah
http://www.ajah.ca
514-708-5112
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <tlauriau at gmail.com>
wrote:
> It is unfortunate that we do not have solid civil society representation.
>
> Toby Mendel is excellent, but represents the legal side of things only
> and to the best of my knowledge brings his organization's point of
> view forward but not that domain of civil society actors more broadly.
>
> Chris Moore is also great, but hardly represents civil society,
> private sector maybe, which was a big contingent at OGP EU Regional
> meetings in Dublin.
>
Any reason you say that Chris Moore represent private sector? 15 years as a
municipal CIO means that he has extensive experience within municipal gov
(an important stakeholder) but I agree that he isn't an ideal candidate to
represent civil society. However, I'm glad that he is nominated - just based
on what I know of his understanding of open gov and open data.
>
> We need someone or an organization that can parlay public policy, open
> data, open access, and ngos who are data users but not engaged in open
> data app development necessarily, but is savvy enough to navigate
> those
waters.
> It would also be great to have someone who is considered a
> representative, someone civil society has nominated or who can stand
> behind, who has a national understanding of the issues but also
> sub-national and who may consult with key stakeholders and bring their
concerns forward.
>
> We did that somewhat when Harvey Low from the Canadian Council on
> Social Development and the FCM went to Brazil, and we conducted some
> consultations by conference call and email, but even that was minimal
> in terms of consultation at best.
>
It's too bad that there aren't a few organizations that master the
old-school access to data stuff (i.e. CCSD, SCPOs) as well as the new side
of things (metadata, open data portals, developing lightweight standards,
XML/APIs/etc.) We need a hybrid CCSD / Open North candidate.
> Cheers
> t
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca> wrote:
>
>> 2 Canadians on the list of civil society candidates for the for the
>> OGP Steering Committee. If you're interested, you can dig around more
>> on that site for more info including CVs and letters of nomination
>> (url
below).
>>
>> There's been no update since June 30th, 2014 - so maybe this is
>> already decided and I'm not aware. I hope one (or more) of the
>> Canadians make the cut, though.
>>
>> Chris Moore
>> (former Chief Information Officer of the city of Edmonton)
>>
>> Toby Mendel
>> (Centre for Law & Democracy)
>>
>> And Panthea Lee - applying for either Canada or Taiwan (it's unclear).
>> Reboot
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ogphub.org/blog/here-are-the-37-candidates-for-the-ogp-ste
>> ering-committee/
>>
>>
>> Michael Lenczner
>> CEO, Ajah
>> http://www.ajah.ca
>> 514-708-5112
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>> CivicAccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Tracey P. Lauriault
> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
> http://datalibre.ca/
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From: James McKinney <james at opennorth.ca>
To: gerry at tychon.ca, civicaccess discuss
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Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Oldish(?) news: Canadian candidates
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Gerry Tychon <gerry at tychon.ca> wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance but how do candidates actually become candidates.
Join the OGP Civil Society mailing list for all updates:
https://dgroups.org/hivos/ogp
The post was re-published on several other lists including CivicAccess on
April 25 by Harvey Low.
Nominations were open from April 25 to June 15.
I believe all were self-nominations, based on the submissions.
James
> ... ggt
>
> On 21/07/2014 5:29 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
>> It is unfortunate that we do not have solid civil society representation.
>>
>> Toby Mendel is excellent, but represents the legal side of things
>> only
and to the best of my knowledge brings his organization's point of view
forward but not that domain of civil society actors more broadly.
>>
>> Chris Moore is also great, but hardly represents civil society,
>> private
sector maybe, which was a big contingent at OGP EU Regional meetings in
Dublin.
>>
>> We need someone or an organization that can parlay public policy,
>> open
data, open access, and ngos who are data users but not engaged in open data
app development necessarily, but is savvy enough to navigate those waters.
It would also be great to have someone who is considered a representative,
someone civil society has nominated or who can stand behind, who has a
national understanding of the issues but also sub-national and who may
consult with key stakeholders and bring their concerns forward.
>>
>> We did that somewhat when Harvey Low from the Canadian Council on
>> Social
Development and the FCM went to Brazil, and we conducted some consultations
by conference call and email, but even that was minimal in terms of
consultation at best.
>>
>> Cheers
>> t
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Michael Lenczner <michael at ajah.ca>
wrote:
>> 2 Canadians on the list of civil society candidates for the for the
>> OGP
Steering Committee. If you're interested, you can dig around more on that
site for more info including CVs and letters of nomination (url below).
>>
>> There's been no update since June 30th, 2014 - so maybe this is
>> already
decided and I'm not aware. I hope one (or more) of the Canadians make the
cut, though.
>>
>> Chris Moore
>> (former Chief Information Officer of the city of Edmonton)
>>
>> Toby Mendel
>> (Centre for Law & Democracy)
>>
>> And Panthea Lee - applying for either Canada or Taiwan (it's unclear).
>> Reboot
>>
>>
>> http://www.ogphub.org/blog/here-are-the-37-candidates-for-the-ogp-ste
>> ering-committee/
>>
>>
>> Michael Lenczner
>> CEO, Ajah
>> http://www.ajah.ca
>> 514-708-5112
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>> CivicAccess-discuss at civicaccess.ca
>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tracey P. Lauriault
>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/
>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
>> http://datalibre.ca/
>>
>>
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